centrists in the group, they will have a debate. they have to argue whatever they can find were you don't have big argument between them on the issue of taxations, for instance, and the need for regulatory change. they are all pretty much in agreement over that. they are fighting about the things they can find to fight about. >> the one thing most americans agree on, there's a horrible logjam in congress. if i were running, i would try to come up with an idea why i could be more persuasive or more able to navigate congress and no one is even talking about that. >> that's an interesting question. the president clearly is intend to go base his campaign on kind of running against congress. >> not look at the great job i'm doing with a tough congress. >> well, that's right. and you would think that if somebody had a good idea, say i can work with this congress. now you will hear occasionally,