are loathe to address revenue in any way shape or form and that is the rub. so, congressman, do you think, first off the democrats should be more open to entitlement savings? >>guest: look, we have to be the programs and when say that you are referring to medicare and social security, they are good programs but because of the aging of the population and other things the programs will be reformed. >>neil: your colleagues do not want to touch them. you say what? >>guest: i'm sorry? >>neil: they say leave it alone. >>guest: well, that is just not a viable way of thinking. we should not try to scare anyone. social security and medicare are fine in the near term but in the long run they have serious problems and the question is, do we try to address them smartly and fairly, now in or do we just let more time pass so the problem becomes bigger. not addressing these things is