understanding that this kind of stuff -- i can't imagine that -- that this kind of action needs to be reported to law enforcement authorities and to be reported up the chain? is it a fear of a harm to reputation to an institution? that is the -- i think the goal of ken fraser and his committee. >> chris: that's talk about second mile, the charity jerry sandusky helped form for disadvantaged kids that gave him access to the boys. should action be taken against the charity or the c.e.o. to allegedly was told about some of these abuses as far back at 2002? >> again, keeping in mind there's an investigation, a state attorney general investigation ongoing, i have to be very careful here. the attorney general's office has a charity section and i'm sure they'll look to see what happened at that point in time. that needs to be done.