you think he didn't know? >> i think they were so close to the problem you can't see it when it is right in front of you. jerry sandusky was always with children and adopted 7 children and he brought kids to camp and to games. it was not unusual to see jerry sandusky with lots of kids. >> there is it a 1998 investigation. the da is involved and child protective services and university police and all of the sudden, mike mcquery at that time, graduate assistant, i saw this guy raping a child in the showers in the football building . >> he doesn't think back to '98. should he have done more, tom? >> i haven't heard anything convincing that he knew about it >> but mcquery said i went to his house. >> judge, you talked about how