differently. >> bill: do you think that the vast majority of the american public, not just fox news watchers, because i think most people watching tonight will agree with you. i certainly do. but i look at cnn and msnbc's ratings every night. compete against them. all right? and for 10 years, 10 years a decade, they haven't moved an inch. in fact, they are worse now than they were 10 years ago. all right? >> right. >> bill: both of them. i'm saying to myself, you know what? we, goldberg and o'reilly, we cover this media stuff every week. we point it out every week that it's not fair. the reportage is not honest. okay? the folks get it. there is no other reason on earth for the low ratings that our competing cable news networks get other than a lack of credibility. >> two points. i think you're right that the folks do get it. but i am -- it constantly amazes me that the people who