three people. there were some. cheney mostly with her policies as secretary of state, rumsfeld more with the way she ran the national security council. these were generally substantive disagreements. i don't think there was a lot of personality conflict. interesting to hear her say she does in her book that, you know, that rumsfeld had been one of her big boosters. and those two had worked together in the -- cheney and rice had worked together closely during the first bush administration. so, they had a lot of history together here and they did have some substantive disagreements but it's unlike books in the past. we have got to find out about these. >> bill: there is pretty heavy duty sniping in those books against her. >> i say it's more argument than sniping. >> bill: all right. brit hume, everyone. when we come right back, bernie goldberg on cain troubles. getting down with i carlie or something. verdict in michael jackson case upcoming.