or the intelligence agencies had been right about the state of his intelligence program. a chance at a more democratic middle east is a much better place. >> bill: what are you going to say to the moms and dads and husbands and wives whose loved ones are dead or maimed if this time next year iraq is in a civil war, which is absolutely possible, because president obama is withdrawing all the american troops now, and then it's just a mass chaotic situation? what are you going to say to them? >> well, i'm not going to deal with n. a hypothetical because right now we have an iraq that is. >> bill: shaky. >> it's shaky but all young democracies are shaky, bill. >> bill: this is a civil war that happened over there. >> we have an iraq, bill, that isn't in contra distinction to the iranians, for instance, seeking weapons of mass destruction. we have an iraq that is about to be the ninth largest purchaser of american military equipment in the world. fourth largest in the region. we have an iraq that has a