dollars, some $5 trillion in mortgage assets and the way to do that, he says, is to attracts talented folks with high compensation packages. >> does he mention anything about the fact that this last quarter they lost $6 billion and the same quarter a year ago, it was $1.4 billion, so there is a downward trend in terms of their success? >> that's a good point. i haven't heard him say that. the thing to remember is that these losses that fannie and freddie are coming up with are largely bad loans that were made before the financial crisis back in 2008. so we might be seeing losses from fannie and freddie for sometime to come. >> i take it nobody's making the executives keep the jobs. if they are so talented, they could go elsewhere, right? >> that's right. >> i am curious, do you have any clue how much they make without the bonuses, what their salary range is? >> you know, i think senator