people count on you are saying president perry i am sorry you will have to do without. >> let me share with you one place you can go tom kober has a be piece of work called back in black. i believe it's $9 trillion worth of reductions. i hope folks will take a look at that. let me give you one example. you can take the department of education and you can put the elementary and secondary programs together and cut those in half and send half of that back to the state save 25 trillion right there. >> 25 trillion? >> 25 billion. >> that still leaves you with $975 billion. >> i understand but you asked me for an example. >> we have so many programs in government that aren't recreating jobs all they are doing is creating government jobs. americans are sick of that. they want someone who will stand up and say listen we are going to cut the size of spending we are going to cut the size of these programs. is it going to be anybody that stands up and says this is all