does this and you herds the boy's mom, the kid is devastated or whatever and it will stay forever. you are going give her. >> were these boys devastated by the experience of having sex with this 33-year-old or were they devastated by the criminal justice system and then how their parents were dragged into it. >> bill: i'm going with the mom. that's where i'm going. >> as i said, i believe that most people will agree with you. >> this guy conrad murray, when is his verdict going. >> conrad murray, dr. michael jackson's doctor was being on the fast track to conviction until about two hours ago when his defense expert on the use of propofol a guy named paul white the guy who wrote the book on propofol use very compellingly by all the other drugs he was using and the possibility that he was self-injecting could have brought this on himself in an un -- >> bill: it was a cocktail of stuff. >> intervening cause that the doctor could not know about.