from cart than he did reagan but if he were not in the race, he got 7 percent, if he were not in the race, ronald reagan would have won by 53 percent to 54 percent, reagan got 51 percent and carter got 4 is percent so anderson in the end did not make a difference and he actually reduced reagan's majority. >>neil: what i remember very clearly the ross perot example and that has been one to debate for the ages. did he hand the white house to bill clinton and deny george bush sr. re-election? what do you think? >>guest: the studies of that race are divided about the effect. personally, i think he did have a major impact in cutting loss millions of voters from george h.w. public, president bush in 1992. he made them available to bill clinton. by turning them off to george h.w. bush and he ended up getting 19 percent.