thing that wrecked the economy, that they will do anything, they will leverage inside trading, we see it every day. there has to be oversight on these people. does there not? >> no. there does not. we have rules. you need rules against killing people and stealing from people. >> bill: if there is no oversight who is going to enforce those rules. >> we have overtight. attorneys general, district attorneys, prosecute people for cheating. that's enough. >> bill: who is going to find them? >> the government. >> bill: the sec sat it out for the last 10 years. >> if we didn't have an sec bernie madoff wouldn't have gotten along for it as long he wouldn't have had the allusion of government protection. >> bill: do you want government protection or not? >> i want government protection against people stealing from he or killing me and that's about it. >> bill: how about inventing a con that destroyed the economy even though it's not illegal? >> government invented most of that con by -- >> bill: they encouraged it. there is no doubt about it. they didn't invent it. it was invented by green heads who destroyed the economy.