him, getting the unions to not fight it at the ballot box. >> greta: well, you make it sound like it's going to be an easy process. >> i'm not saying that. >> greta: okay. i mean, when you think of raising the retirement age from 55 to 67 and he wants to do away with what they call the spiking where your pension is determined by your last year and people do a lot of overtime so that they get a higher retirement pension, he wants to do away with that. so many of the workers have enjoyed this as part of their job, i mean, it really is an extensive change in the system. >> it is, and i'm not saying it's going to be easy. i think you're going to see that there's going to be a lost push back, like i said, particularlily from democrats. i think he has more political capitol with the unions than you would see with the republicans or democrats. >democrats. >> greta: why? if a republican governor were proposing this in the state, would it be different? >> oh, definitely. these th guys got him elected.