as the candidate who won, and i think what is impressive is he won a lot of people over with the force of his personality, which is something that i've seen throughout the country. i was in nebraska recently where he was located for years, in omaha with the federal reserve and with godfather's pizza. i literally had people coming up to me that i didn't know, saying we know herman wane here, we really like him personally. that doesn't mean he's going to win the nomination, i doubt he does. but i think he's made a real impact on the campaign and will continue to do so. jon: you think that this -- these polls that show him on the leaderboard basically, he's on top of the polls right now, that is more than a flash in the pan? >> in some states it will be. i think he will do surprisingly well in a number of places once we get to the actual voting. again, as we saw in georgia, in that senate race, because people just like the guy. and in the end you have to like