word. ins that also a power cue. >> you thought in that body language and hostile body language. >> perry tries to regain it see the point see his chin is tucked. he loses, one of the main reasons unfortunately that he loses is that romney is taller and romney is pointing and angling his body to rick perry as opposed to perry is straightforward. that's a big thing. he he loses points for that. >> bill: my interview with governor perry last night, the body language that he looked pretty relaxed to me. >> watch his head like a bobble doll. not side to side. really a bobble. what is he saying is i don't take responsibility for this response. when he bobbles back and forth like this it's indifference. >> bill: indifference to me or the question. >> to the statement when you are saying come on, you are not really wild about him? >> bill: you don't think he cares about him at all. >> he doesn't want to answer that that's why you see not necessarily the up or down or the side to side but the bobble.