>> bill: the perry interview did he help himself. >> helped himself by coming on this show. >> bill: i have to get these guys to come on. >> huge favor, talking to conservative base, talking to independents when he comes on the show and talking to a lot of liberals who watch you as well. crucial he laid out his jobs in the economic plan. >> bill: even with that one gig gap when he doesn't know what the revenue stream is going to be? >> in his plan, the critical element is that he is going to cap federal spending at 18%. so when you bring spending down, the amount of revenue when you do a flat tax generates more revenue coming in and you are lowering spending. >> view do economics. >> george h.w. bush. >> did not help him several did he fnt know actual numbers the gaffe that would be created and he clearly despises rit romney. >> conservatives don't like the governor romney either.