a lot of money. you got to hire a lot of people, be well organized, and obviously the obama people are extremely well organized and well funded. the romney people as well. all right? well organized, well funded, they got their guy. but herman cain doesn't have guys or people. >> he doesn't have -- at the moment he really doesn't have the funds to put together an organization and i'm not sure he has the time. but probably the most important factor in that bill is he doesn't seem to be trying. he's going around the country, he's as much on a book tour as he is on a campaign tour. >> bill: that might not be a bad strategy because he's got to get well-known. he's got to get people to know his name and what he stands for. >> but he's mostly got to get well-known in the states where the early primaries occur. you simply can't lose a bunch of early primary states and hope to go anywhere. >> bill: i don't know where he makes his stand. i mean, iowa looks to me like is