assertions of privilege and reasons not to produce at all. >> bill: then goes into a never ending legal thing for years until the supreme court has to say this is what you give me and this is what you don't. that is what you think is going to happen? >> they might produce enough that the true story will come out about who knew what and when about operation fast and furious. in the absence of that there will have to be a leaker who tells us that there is something there that they are not producing. they are lawyers at the department of justice. >> bill: the same thing that happened to the bush administration about water boarding. >> it is not the crime, it is the coverup. it operation has been in place for years. the problem for eric holder is the department of justice has been withholding the full story on this from the beginning. first they told congress the operation didn't exist. not true. then d.o.j. had nothing to do with it. not true. then eric holder said he only learned about the operation in april or march of 2011.