trying to deceive by their actions? >> yes, and no. and the reason it's yes and no is because at this point pickly there is very fine line between anxiety and deception. what we wind up looking at as past baselines and then when they are speaking the context in which they are speaking in. so, as i'm looking at him, i see he does something called a head swagger that head swagger goes against the intention cue. he shakes his head up and down and then side to side. when you see that you recognize that that's his words going opposite his unconscious head-shaking. here i think he is holding something back. that would be my first impression. if the documents come out saying that they really feel he is being deceptive, my answer to you is he is holding back information that he doesn't want to give out. you know that because forward from here he starts doing all these distracting techniques, the repetitious questions. the quizzical look. >> bill: do you believe he didn't hear the question which was posed very loudly. >> no. i think he was looking for an out. he was trying to distract.