that is part of the policing and zero tolerance that worked so well. basically if you say we are just going to go after the worst of the worst you create a contempt for the rule of law and you get more law breaking. in this case we'll get a heck of a lot more illegal immigration. >> i'd rather have a coherent policy than an incoherent one. bill: thanks to both of you. decent debate. martha: good time to buy or refinance folks. take a look at the rate on the 30-year mortgage rate. this is a 30-year low for this. it's 3.94%. good time to buy or refinance if you can get the loan, right, bill. bill: yeah, you've got to get that, that little thing, right? we are minutes away from a press conference live at the whrous. you will see it live here. president obama on the economy, his jobs bill, what also will he say to try to turn things around. we'll take there live top of the hour. martha: he'll get questions about this.