that says that mr. holder was not being truthful when said that. today they grilled jay carney about it. >> i want to go back to fast and furious. what you said the attorney general said is not what he said. he said "i'm not sure of the exact date but i had probably heard about fast and furious for the first time over the last few weeks. now, the documents say that he was told the first time about this july 2010 and onl octoberf 2010. >> i would refer you to the department of justice. >> this is the attorney general. >> yes, and the president believes he is an excellent attorney general and has great confidence in him and we absolutely know that the testimony he gave was consistent and truthful. >> bill: joining us, two democratic stallworths, joe trippe here in new york and lanny davis in washington. big story? >> no, eric holder had no reason to lie. i think there is a mixup on the words he chose.