this case to trial. that's the first thing that i think really smells. i don't know if they got caught up in a situation where this one guy rudy changed -- told on these two people that it wasn't him that they were involved and i think they got caught up in it and it snowballed. there was a prosecutor who came out and said she thought the chances of her being released based on new forensics is pretty good. >> do you think national pride has anything to do with how this judgment will be rendered? >> here is how it works logistically. it's two judges and two lay people. the chief judge has two votes. the other judge have one vote and they have one vote each. it's a majority thing. >> the busher the baker and the candle stick maker? >> they do get limited training.