world. let's talk about it with michael o apz hanlan, he joins us now. you and a co-author wrote and op-ed piece about this. you said despite what we might perceive on this issue there is a significant amount of effort being made by some muslim countries to stop extremism. >> that's right. we don't want to go so far as to have a lot of happy talk, but the guy that i wrote with, who is a turk, we began with his country, turkey, which causes us a lot of diplomatic issues these days, but has actually made big headway at dealing with what you might call the root causes of terrorism, trying to establish a strong economy, trying to give a lot of educational opportunity for its youth. to have a muslim and islamic message but still a moderate message in most of its domestic