>> bill: deny anybody? >> yes, apparently to what you said was supposition and apparently there are cases on her side said she did not. >> bill: do we have any documents that say -- >> no, we don't. >> but the thing is -- >> bill: stop it right now! >> we have one on her behalf this week who said that she did not allow some of these 10 to 18-year-olds. >> bill: do we have any paperwork? >> we in our gathering of the information do not have paperwork because it's not included in this case. >> bill: has her defense put any paperwork out? >> a witness has said that, yes. >> bill: a witness is a witness. is there any paperwork? >> no paperwork. the way in which it was described is those claims are not in this case. >> bill: who is the witness? >> the witness is a close associate. guess what? we don't know, papers don't say anything about it either. >> bill: this isn't supposition. this is what the state of kansas put out. >> that not is what the state of kansas put out. >> bill: i have it right here. these are case files. >> that's what the former