having the social compact that essentialously a safety net for those who have retired and otherwise would face terrible. >> you're arguing a macro point. there is nothing in theory wrong with that at all. we're not talking in theory. we are talk about a specific program called social security. >> it's a good program. >> whose basis is built on fluff. be honest about it. >> it's not built on fluff. it has been financially stable since fdr and it is even by rick perry. >> no! >> just a moment. by rick perry's estimate if you go 30 years from now, it's still going to be in a position especially as we pull money away from the trust fund. >> ponzi scheme would work if it were mandtory. the reason that ponzi, charles ponzi ended up in jail is it's not mandatory. you can be a ponzi scheme but because it's, everybody has to actually pay into it, it can work. ultimately, it's the demographics are out of whack as they are now it will fail