alibis and his rationalizations how this program got out of control. but but it is a case of parsing definitions and -- >> sean: now the question is whether holder's clinton-like evasion will help him as his former boss did in the 90s. >> there's a teflon counting around so many of the top obama officials. the question is for the american people will you allow that coating to stand after you know what has gone on? after you know the hell that brian terry and his family had to go through? when people decide in 2012 who they want running the white house they will decide if they want somebody like president obama who put eric holder in place. >> sean: we may not need to wait until 2010 tell. the. now even the white house's knowledge of and involvement in fast and furious is being exposed.