about oil, but we need to sure those arms depots, weapons could be used against americans, there are key institutions that need to be preserved there, obviously, the oil fields secured. how do we do all of that, how do we help libyans? >> well, i think our main interest is in ensuring that libya doesn't become a base for international terrorism, doesn't descend into anarchy on the one hand or that qaddafi isn't replaced by a terrorist-sympathetic regime so what we should have been doing this past six months and i don't think we've done enough of is to find people who are believers in a pluralistic, open society, prowest, if you will, and strengthening their hand in what will be a very complex political scenario inside libya over the next several months. gregg: senator john mccain was on our air earlier today and he said look, we shouldn't give them money but we should give them technical help. >> i don't think they're going to need much money once the oil begins pumping once again and the assistance they need is to