points higher than when he took over? >> well, because what happened was we had a tremendous hole to dig out of. >> bill: no, no, no. you just said he created jobs since he has been in office but 2 percentage points higher in the unemployment rate. math doesn't add up. >> yes, it does. because we haven't created enough jobs. >> bill: no, no, no. he was creating jobs. the unemployment rate would have gone down 2%. mary katharine is, this fuzzy map or voodoo economics? am i not grasping juan's calculations properly. >> no. i think it's pretty clear that unemployment is higher. not only that what american people are sense something we have paid a trillion dollars for it to go up. >> bill: for unemployment to go up. what kind of a good deal is that. >> representative peter fazio ally liberal guy said last week the slogan the idea of the campaign it could have been worse is a hard thing to sell. that's the probable is he having. >> bill: that's like saying, look, the kansas city royals could be worse. >> i know.