with personal debt. in 1980, 355 billion dollars in personal debt is what we were carrying. 2008, we're up to trillions of dollars. what's interesting is all the issues with the debt crisis, we're really mirroring it in our personal lives and the question is how can we sort of redefine wealth but at the same time, take care of money and finances and get rid of our credit card problem? >> that's a great point. and i know this is personal to you because you -- you're famous. you got some money in the bank. but then when you discovered you had cancer, that puts it all into a different kind of perspective. >> i was writing this -- i have a foundation called the manifest your destiny foundation and i meet with a lot of people talking about how can you live your best life? the excuses are money. i'd get an education but i can't afford it. i have to do this or i have to pay for my kids so i wanted to write a straight forward financial money book about how can we return to values? get rid of credit card debt? let's budget and figure this