$25 million between 2002 and 2010. i don't think it includes the presidential run but it stands to reason. >> bob: the only thing to say about this, if you disqualified for accepting money from the lobbyists, nobody would sit on the committee. that is a problem. >> dana: rob portman, freshman senator from ohio raised quite a bit. $1.5 million. >> bob: there are very few who don't get money from the industry, that's how it's done. too bad but it is what it is. i don't think it's a disqualifier. >> andrea: that is the past. think about the future. think about the air wars. public affairs firms as you know, that's what you do. i used to work in public affairs. this is what they do. they spend millions of dollars, they're meeting right now to see where to channel the money and game the system. >> bob: you think it would be legal or -- do you think it would be legal if they could