right? and those are calling for very big defense cuts which i imagine to the seven members who look to getting money from the defense contractorrors that is a catch 22. >>guest: i have been in washington long enough to remember the gramm-rudman triggers that congress found a way around. congress always find as way around especially a limit or ceiling or trigger that congress credited. they will find a way around this, too. >>neil: they can create. they can uncreate. well put, thank you very much. stay tuned.