yeah. [laughter] megyn: are you suggesting pawlenty is less than dynamic? >> yes. i'm saying -- megyn: stirewalt says -- >> he was very liberal in many of his things as governor, immigration of minnesota, and now i think -- megyn: but my question is are these independents going to hold things against pawlenty? they're upset with obama and house gopers. >> i think they're probably waiting to see, get more definition about what the race is going to be. there's too many unknowns. too many unknowns to really know how it's all going to fall a year and a half there now. we're in the summer, a year and a half away. people are going to the beach. i'm not sure most people are paying attention right now. megyn: well, i think they pay attention on the big news days, they watch. i really feel like i can speak to this because i was the average news viewer for the past four months. [laughter] and you know, don't they, when there's not a lot of news, and there's something big happening.