trade, a lot of price manipulation during that period and when the larger traders that can move markets are actually solidified you have vacation period, you have, again, at the love traders taking time off in august and when they return in september, you see that rally come back for the most part. but it is typically one of the worst months but keep in mind most of that is because of the fact that it is very thin trade. >>neil: good morning curious, i remember august 1987, was actually, we were reaching the new highs and the air was coming out into the fall, of course, and then the famous october 19, 1987 experience in a day we lost 25 percent of the dow value, and today it was 4.6 percent of the dow, if august goes well, does that mean the fall goes bad? or if august goes badly as it