difficult position. i'm not a person who jumps on a bandwagon calling for someone to resign. i think presidents make the decision. >> i think he should resign for two reasons, one could appeal for bob. it would be politically good for the president to get him out of the administration. politically, disaster. inaccurate cheerleader. he has no respect amongst the banking community and business community and wall street community and the united states of america. for that reason he can't effectively -- effectively -- >> bob: i can't think of another treasury secretary that went through more difficult times than this guy has and done a remarkably good jobs given the cards dealt him. if you don't agree, whether it would help politically, i don't think treasury secretaries does a lot politically. >> you don't think hank paulson falls in that category? >> bob: hank paulson had his problems, too. but i don't think treasury secretaries matter. this is bigger than the treasury secretary and bigger