will be some reduced spending not nearly enough but real reduced spending that i think can be enforced. maybe a half or less than half of what we really need to do to get our country on a sound footing. it is not a debt ceiling that is a big issue. the debt ceiling is a process and opportunity for us to discuss the overall debt trajectory that is dangerous for america to give us an opportunity to reverse the trends. that's some progress driven by the last election but not enough. >> is there any sort of -- as you put into the power presentation or in this plan so that in the next congress we are in this mess again in terms of the trajectory? is this really finding o bindin on anybody for a period of time? >> it is binding. a year or so ago we voted to declare the census an emergency.