trillion a year. plus you like it to have a bigger deficit the following year because you have really hurt the economy. >> you know what, stuart? by depicting what's going on mathwise there in washington, d.c., it's clear there's a spending problem in washington and that's why all these tea party republicans are saying look, i came to washington to stop this. so i get their conundrum? >> they got a point. they're looking long term and saying none of these plans addresses america's long term dilemma. it's not that long term! it will hit us next year. that's why we're being downgraded. we're spending so much. >> what do you mean we're being downgraded? >> might be. >> it's highly likely by a right agency -- >> no party since the 1950's has cut spending. >> neither party since the 1950's. do we have any -- >> no party at any time in america's history has faced a deficit and accumulated debt like this. the deficit this year is $1.65