government because that's something that happens rarely, but it does happen, but then going out and in cold blood tracking down, young, up coming, sharp labor party kids over a two hour period, the mind can't encompass that, it can't. >> our deepest sympathy in the united states as we continue to follow this story, thank you for joining us, david john smith, an american living and raising his kids in norway. >> dave: you wonder, guys, that trust that we talked about is gone now. certainly the country changes in terms of security. do they trust one another as they did 48 hours ago. >> one of the phrases used over and over again, so many in norway talk about the sort of loss of innocence now this country is feeling. >> let's turn our attention out to the debt ceiling back here at home. a major news out of washington, again, we thought at the 11 a.m. meeting yesterday, that we would actually see some progress, still no deal. not at all. but some news this morning,