we are not diminishing the suffering that the poor people have. i rode around south carolina interestingly enough a couple of months ago and you are look at shotgun houses and people living in dea lap dated. inside they probably have a few modern conveniences but there is no day at the beach. there is almost always a reason attached to poverty. it is not the capitalist system's fault. it is usually personal responsibility or something like that. >> i think, bill, it goes to personal responsibility. it also goes to a free enterprise capitalist system that right now is under assault. it is under assault. >> bill: absolutely assault. >> from its own leadership or from this president, this administration. and we have to come to terms with a reality that if we will inspire those who are small business men and women, the innovators in our society, we are going to start moving this economy forward. >> that is true but the poverty