some democrats would clearly join republicans voting to abolish this board. but health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius will appear at today's hearing before the house budget committee, which you can see on your screen, to defend the independent board. she says it's an important tool for keeping costs down. she says as long as congress acts to reduce health care spending, the board recommendations would not take effect. so that's the argument you can expect to hear today from the secretary. and, again tomorrow at a different subcommittee hearing. heather: all right. steve centanni, thank you so much. and some democrats out there are saying give this thing a chance. all right, well, he is a leading member in congress, georgia republican tom price, and what does he make of those hearings today? his take, that's coming up in just a bit. bill: all right. in the meantime, neither side willing to budge, we know that, or blink in the debt standoff, or are they behind closed doors? we don't know, but the clock is ticking down to the deadline of