and then no jail time. >> this is a serious question. in other words, you can't, you only get monetary -- f you don't get jail time? >> ties it up in litigation. but takes raj raj you nail a guy to the wall and he will go away. for every raj, raj, 40 to 50 people caught doing things they shouldn't doing. >> i will say it rests on the prosecution, too. you bet ver a tight case against somebody if you demand a perp walk. a public perp walk. >> i know it's in my future. even doing this segment makes me feel sad. play the segment over and over again while i'm walked away. >> because it has been in my past, let me say to you, you shouldn't worry about this that much. in some cases you can be proud of. i was proud in antiwar movement and civil rights movement. >> coming up, derek jeter goes five for five match. five. what does it mean, by the way?