deal-breaker to the extent the administration and the democrats have insisted on them as part of any large deal, that is the end of that. now, that doesn't mean that some smaller set of reforms cannot be enacted, in exchange for an increase in the debt ceiling and that is the direction in which republicans are now going to try to go. i... you know, there will be more brinkmanship and i expect the president will try to prepare the battle field a little bit more, by stating the republicans are for, you know, depriving, the lame and blind the benefits, so, rich people with jet planes can keep their tax break or whatever. so, you know, i can't... i don't know he'll do that but i suspect he will. bill: maybe they know what keel they can get through conference anyway, why hold the press conference before the meeting is