we're in the law business. >> mike: say that again, a lot of people would understand. the justice system is not the morality business. >> you want morality go to a philosopher, a minister, a rabbi, a priest. if you want justice, a philosopher. if you want something to be legally correct, that's what lawyers know how to do. now, we try hard to bring together morality and legality as much as we can. but take, for example, the issue if your a' a priest or a minister and somebody tells you a deep dark secret that they killed somebody and buried the body. the right thing to do is to turn to the police, country do that if you're a priest or minister, the law says you have a protect the secret or confidence. often we will have a conflict what's right and moral on one hand and legal on the the other. >> mike: in another interview, you said don't expect too much from our legal system. don't expect truth. don't expect justice, because that's not what it's going to get you. >> that's right. and it's a terrible thing to have to tell my law students.