engaged. >> i make a distinction between myself. in the case of jaycee dugard. did you know that parole officers went to the house where she was being held 60 times and did not look in the backyard or look enough even to find her? and they sent him a letter of commendation about his good behavior when was holding her in the backyard. so many levels outrage and also learning about ourselves and what we might do through her. >> bill: but you can't deny and you have been on both sides of the equation. new in the hard news business but you did good morning america for a number of years which doesn't tainmen entertaid social sorries this of ilk. i assume you will get good ratings on sunday night with