i'm playing the piano. frank looks up and says -- >> mess with me fat stuff and i'll bust you up. >> he broke the ice. from then on i loved him like a brother. >> bill: he had a reputation to be a tough guy. was he a tough guy? >> no. he was the sweetest man in the world. >> bill: you did a movie with rock hudson. ice station zebra. >> good morning captain. >> bill: hudson, obviously made headlines he had aids and then he was gay and all of this. did everybody know he was gay in hollywood? >> i imagine they did. >> bill: you didn't know? >> i knew. he had his coterie of boys around lunch hour and everything else. >> bill: he didn't make any effort to hide it? >> no. >> bill: when you were watching him with doris day and these classic movies.