and now i don't think she'll get the charge of perjury. >> gregg: this was important, the issue of chloroform, goes to the issue of first degree murder, death penalty eligible, you've got to perfect planning and premeditation and the searching in advance of her daughter's death, chloroform. >> yes, and also the testimony that they found chloroform. the only person who finds chloroform is dr. vass with his novel, unconfirmed sniffer machine he's trying to sell and which he uses divining rod to find bodies, too. and other people who examined the same specimen didn't find any increase in the background chloroform, didn't find any of the decomposition chemicals. so, i think, i think that that's an issue as to whether there's any chloroform to fin with. >> as a conviction this is a fatal flaw in the defense case. i was expecting before

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