end. for founders who owned slaves, who didn't believe that african-americans should be people, didn't believe that women should vote, believe women should be property of their husbands. thank goodness as a nation we followed their advice and let that document evolved. it doesn't mean we get rid of it, but it means we evolve. shannon: ben, of course we've had the amending process that has handled a number of the issues and things that people have viewed as flaws or things that were wrong with the original intent of the constitution. so, if it's been amended does that mean it's imperfect? >> well, i don't think it's per se imperfect. i think there is one thing to realize that when society changes and grows, i mean look how big america is compared to when they wrote it that yes, sometimes there needs to be add ons. what worries me the most is when people try to act like the document has become somehow, you know, obsolete, or it's somehow old news, or it somehow really doesn't apply. it does apply and it should apply. and i'm glad that people are