>> now you're talking about -- you're down-playing the jobs he's created and poo-pooing the work of people who don't make huge salaries. you'd be complaining if governor perry created millionaires. but that is not the case. he's helping the people who can't help themselves the most. alisyn: go ahead, dick. >> the problem here is that the truth doesn't match up with the facts and perry has a long history and problem with ethics. he has been -- he took a hundred thousand dollars in campaign contributions from a guy he steered $2 million in federal grants to. a $1,000 start up tech company got $400 million in state money because they were his political buddies. this guy has problem after problem after problem after problem. all democratic candidates come through north carolina. come on in rick the water is