no honest people. >> very few. >> bill: how cynical is that. >> i'm a very cynical guy. this is not a real scandal. this is a junior high school scandal. >> bill: any come out in the beginning and said this is what i did with the twitter stuff, he probably would have survived it. >> you are right about that. >> bill: based upon conduct in the past by other people who did survive. but once you start to lie to people, the colleagues that you work with, and the folks through the television media, you can't serve anymore, colmes. >> bill clinton did the same thing. he was impeached but weighs not convicted by two thirds of the republican senate at the time. and, again, you are right in that you had a very good analysis in that it is the fact that he lied to the media and then we found out through your first segment tonight, also lied to democrats that it is very damning. >> bill: can't serve anymore. >> i think it's a very bad model for how we should run things. >> bill: so i don't want to put words in your mouth. >> yeah. >> you think it's a bad message for people in the country.