the feeling about oil companies, pharmaceutical companies. they are the bad guys. but if you are in the right kind of industry and you give a lot of money, you are a special interest of a different sort. >> it's the same thing with paulson from goldman sacks and geithner. it's hard -- what i think the president has had a hard time doing is break out of the insider of the beltway. even though he fought it more than any other president. it's still clear how they are getting drawn into it. it's tough. martha: i think you are right. i think tehran on a platform that he was different. a new game had come to washington. this issue of the stimulus money, though. level 3 communications got $13 million in stimulus money.