about. it is a difficult time when lost his niece and he is sitting there testifying on behalf of the state who is seeking to kill his sister. you can imagine just in general what somebody would be going through with the conflicting feelings and thoughts. >> all right, let me ask you this, mark. mark, i don't mean to interrupt you. if casey and knowth anthony mud caylee, their granddaughter and lee's niece, what does the family think is justice? >> it is interesting. not -- a lot of different things to look at based on the psychological evaluation. it is my belief that she is definitely mentally ill. >> but they didn't proffer an insanity defense. she has no history of insanity. >> no, she doesn't. she certainly has issues which she has demonstrated for somebody to be able to do twha what she has done and make the family go through what it has